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3:40 a.m. is an ungodly time to be answering questions fired at your through and earpiece while staring into the bright lights of a camera. Intrepid communicator that I am, though, I undertook the challenge—with only one cup of coffee in me, no less—when I answered questions this morning on CNBC’s Squawk Box. The subject: the blogger relations campaign Edelman PR undertook on behalf of its client, Wal-Mart.

A lot of buzz has erupted on the blogosphere around this story since it was reported in the New York Times, so I was delighted to get the call asking me to offer my comments. I arrived at the KPIX studio in Oakland, California at 3 a.m. (per instructions) to find I would be interviewed in the lobby of a building that was, at that hour, utterly deserted and a bit chilly. I sat around chatting with the cameraman until the segment came up. Following is a recap of the questions and answers. It’s not a transcript, but I did TiVo the show, so with luck, in the next day or two, I’ll be able to put the entire segment on the blog.

First, I was asked to explain the approach Edelman and Wal-Mart took. This was a blogger relations effort. An Edelman representative approached bloggers who might be inclined to support Wal-Mart’s perspective. These bloggers were offered occasional emails containing information about which they might be interested in writing. These emails were sent to the bloggers who agreed. These bloggers were asked to use the information to write their own posts and not to reproduce them verbatim. However, a couple of the bloggers did run the emails word for word. Since a blog should reflect the author’s voice, not somebody else’s, I pointed out that when quoting somebody, bloggers should disclose the source. (I always do.)

Next, I was asked about bloggers’ independent voice and whether this type of blogger relations effort somehow manipulated or corrupted the blogs in question. I don’t believe the integrity of these blogs was compromised at all. The bloggers weren’t paid and there were no conditions attached to their agreement to accept the Edelman emails. They could choose to run any, all, or none of the stories. They could offer their own analysis and even disagree if they chose. The posts these bloggers wrote were not the end of a conversation, but the beginning. Their readers could offer comments and other bloggers could write, positively or negatively, about the posts on their own blogs. In effect, Edelman was helping Wal-Mart initiate a conversation on the blogosphere.

I pointed out that the mainstream media—also independent—routinely uses press releases, interviews, and tips from companies and their PR agencies without disclosing the source of every fact. (That would make for long and boring pieces!) I added that Richard Edelman, chairman of Edelman PR, articulated in his own blog the requirements for an ethical blogger relations effort:

  • Be transparent about who you are, whom you work for, and the goal of the PR effort.
  • Ask permission to share information with the bloggers you approach.
  • Disclose any financial arrangements you’ve made with the bloggers who agree to accept your content. (In the Wal-Mart case, there was no compensation at all, despite what some bloggers have suggested.)
  • Deliver 100% accurate, factual information without spin.

I pointed out that the Wal-Mart effort met each of these requirements. I also pointed out that the anti-Wal-Mart blogs were undoubtedly getting information from labor unions and other anti-Wal-Mart sources.

Finally, I was asked in more companies would start blogs in the vein of General Motors and Boeing. Absolutely, I said, adding that they don’t have to be authored by senior executives. I cited Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, and Thomas Nelson Publishers as examples of companies that have encouraged their employees to blog. These employee blogs create a touch point for customers and other audiences, the authentic, real voice of a real person with whom they could connect and engage in conversation.

I also suggested that Wal-Mart might have been well-served to launch their own blogs to initiate the conversation.

And that was it. In just a couple brief minutes, the interview was over. I was given no opportunity to show the “Blogging for Business” book I co-wrote with Ted Demopoulos (although I brought it in the hopes of doing a bit of my own PR).

Now I’m sitting at Oakland International Airport waiting for my flight to Portland. I expect to collapse when I get back home around 10 p.m. tonight.

If you saw the CNBC segment (that would have been about 6:40 a.m. Eastern Standard Time), let me know what you thought.

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03/07/06 | 16 Comments | What I said

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  • 1.Shel,
    I already made this comment on your last post immediately after viewing the segment. But I'll redo it here as a follow up (plus I mistyped something. You DO get a second chance sometimes!)
    What you wrote here is an excellent review of the segment. You did a great job of making it a non-issue with factual information. I was actually impressed with the guy with whom you were speaking for not making it a witch hunt. He asked some questions, you told the story. I thought it went pretty well. I do like how you mentioned a) Richard?s blog post and b) how anti Wal-Mart bloggers are probably getting content from someone, too. Those were fine points. I do wish you'd have been able to hammer the traditional media/press release use concept a little deeper. People could have related a little better to that, I think.
    Overall, really good for 3:45 a.m. and only one cup of java!

    Luke | March 2006 | Ohio

  • 2.Shel, you were great and I'm happy for you. The coffee must have been strong, buddy, because you looked good. -Matt

    Matt Podboy | March 2006 | Palo Alto, CA

  • 3.Shel - Thanks for the review of the show. I saw it and you did a great job. As you know, our opinions are different.

    Bloggers are natural in sharing opinions. Therefore, it's smart that companies develop relationships with them. I'm doing this with three companies right now.

    But this item, story or non-story, can and should be a learning experience. But are we realzing what can be learned? Or is this going to be the template? (Please, say "no" to the last)

    This wasn't reaching out to bloggers to try a product or service. This wasn't being available as a resource for research. This was feeding people hungry for attention and information they craved.

    This wasn't a pitch, it was serving up a B.P. fastball. It was blog relations on steroids.

    It was an ego massage. This was an experienced, major league company tapping into inexperienced, minor league resources. The major league company should've known - and maybe this was the plan all along.

    BTW, your book, Blogging for Business, is fantastic. The strategies on pages 81-83 are spot on. Is there a difference between strategies and tactics?

    Mike Sansone | March 2006 | Iowa

  • 4.Sadly I was unable to get myself up this morning and watch the interview myself(long night of studying), but today my class was able to talk about what we thought about the topic. I agree with you that what Edelman did was a great idea. They have a client and they want their client to get recognized. Of course who does not know Wal-Mart, but that is not the point. The point is that they took a different means of communication to get their name out there.
    There seems to be no discrepancy by how they went about executing it. I believe that it was tactical to find out those bloggers who are interested in that business. As long as no monetary exchanges were made, unless specified, then it is perfectly honest.
    Blogging is becoming quite the communication tool. Business people, college students, ordinary people, you name it, are starting to realize the quality of blogging. It is becoming a PR tool to get an idea or announcement out to a vast number of people in a hurry. I applaud Edelman for taking that step and I am interested to see where it will go.
    I have a feeling that many businesses will follow Edelman's lead. We will probably see an onset of companies blogging across the country. With an article written in the New York Times, businesses will pay attention. That is if they know what is good for them.

    Christina Brasher | March 2006 | Auburn University

  • 5.Carving all the personal stuff way fascinating though it is - isn't the issue that Wal-Mart's rep truly sucks for all sorts of real reasons and so until it takes action, it matters not how well the blogopsphere responds to this latest PR wheeze?

    I was gob smacked at the 'Wal-Mart is bad for US business' vid that has had wide currency on the Internet...factoid that stuck out for me $30 billion net importer.

    My UK correspondents tell me that since the takeover, ASDA, once the retail darling, has plumetted in all areas - quality, service...you name it...things that matter to people that buy real goods.

    Having said that - good for you turning up in inclement conditions and sticking around.

    Dennis Howlett | March 2006 | Spain

  • 6.What's interesting about the whole Jack Trout hornets' nest rattling article about WOM deal isn't so much that some of us prefer the traditional "command & control" marketing model over more authentic open source marketing models, but that a good...

  • 7.a shel of my former self: What I Said
    The call at 4.00 AM, the request to come and comment on CNBC and Walmart, PR firms and blogging, and then being able to be congnizant at the ungodly and cold hour at 3.00 AM. One PR bloggers experience at the TV s...

  • 8.Well measured responses - it kept the issue in the proper perspective.

    I'm interested in reading further discussions here on this topic.

    Dave Bakker | March 2006

  • 9.What are lessons to take away from the discussion about the story the NYTimes did on Edelman working with bloggers.

  • 10.What more is to be said on the topic that has taken up more pixels than anything else in the PR world this week? Not a lot... complete transparency, as always is a key constituent of blog relations. Here's a...

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