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Ten guidelines for B2B podcasts

In my ???Writing for the Wired World??? workshops, I begin by pointing out a fundamental difference between business websites and everything else on the web. When you build a family site (birthday party pictures and the like) or a fan site (if you love your Mini Cooper, for instance) or a performance art site (fun with Flash, for example), your visitors are happy to click here and there to see what you???re offering. When people come to a business site, however, they know exactly what they want. With laser-like intensity, they will zero in (or, at least, try to) on the answer to their question, the solution to their problem. Visitors to business sites have agendas. They???re not interested in following any links that won???t get them to what brought them.

Similar distinctions apply to business podcasting -??? particularly B2B podcasting, where your customer is another business instead of an individual customer or consumer. There???s no point in pretending to be ???Dawn and Drew??? when your audience has come for useful business content. (Besides, if they want to listen to ???Dawn and Drew,??? they can. )

That said, it???s also worth noting that your listeners spend most of their time listening to podcasts other than yours. There are podcasting practices you should learn and adhere to that, so far, many business podcasts are ignoring. Most busines podcasts, for example, don’t have associated blogs. More on that later.

Not that there are a lot of B2B podcasts out there yet. I count maybe half a dozen (from Oracle, Jupiter, Eric Schwartzman, and BMC Software, for example). But podcasting is exploding and businesses are going to figure out sooner rather than later that a podcast could be a useful B2B communication channel.

With that in mind, I started jotting down some guidelines for B2B podcasting. As luck would have it, I wound up with 10:

Be relevant

If you???re considering a B2B podcast, you???ve probably already given some consideration to a theme and an audience. One of the no-brainer podcasts no business has A podcast for this audience helps elevate your content above the dozens or even hundreds of other companies sending content through traditional channels. It???s not enough to just focus on this audience; you have to add some value. You don???t need to disclose material information for this podcast to be relevant, but you should offer insights into why your organization is a worthy investment. You might, for instance, pick a focus of your R&D efforts and give it a bit more attention that usual, talk about customer satisfaction metrics, or conduct an interview with one of your thought leaders.

Stick to the point

Under some circumstances, you might be tempted to use your podcast to address issues that have reared their ugly heads. It???s easy to view the podcast as a broad business communication tool. It???s not. Podcasting is all about narrowcasting, particularly when you???re dealing with a business audience. Resist the temptation to digress or risk losing an audience that listens because of the highly focused content you deliver. Consider IBM???s podcast, which delves into the future of some aspect of life (homes, cars, shopping) through the eyes of two company thought leaders on the subject. How many people would unsubscribe if IBM used an episode to explain its labor issues? That???s not why people subscribed.

Avoid fluff

I???ve heard some comments recently suggesting that business podcasts should be more entertaining. One pundit went so far as to suggest that business podcasts should play songs. Don???t you believe it. Someone who listens to the IBM podcast wants to know what the future holds and they want to hear it from experts working on real-world applications. Listeners to my podcast may argue, ???You play music.??? Yes, Neville and I play a podsafe tune at the end of every show. But we???re not a B2B podcast; there is no business behind our show. (We???re just two guys doing a podcast.) We also save the music for the end of the show, so those who don???t want to hear music can stop listening when the music starts. (Incidentally, we play music to support the independent artists whose efforts are one of the biggest drivers of podcasting and because it???s our show and we want to.)

Be infotaining

While you don???t want to turn your B2B podcast into a top 40 music show, you do want to employ enough entertainment elements to make it interesting to listen to. Solid content is not compelling if it is delivered by a lone monotonous voice. Use musical intros and outros, introduce new features, and generally take advantage of the medium. Adopt a format for your show. ???For Immediate Release??? is a co-hosted discussion with audio commentary from other sources. You could do an interview show, a panel discussion, or commentary by company thought leaders. Listeners get to like a format. They also like it if you shake it up from time to time.

Build and engage community

There???s a podcasting myth that suggests one of podcasting???s great limitations is its one-way, top-down nature. Hogwash. Podcasts routinely build communities of listeners the members of which interact with the podcaster. Adam Curry???s Daily Source Code offers a great example. Curry expressed an interest in biodiesel and asked for input. Listeners sent what they knew by email and audio comment. Other listeners commented on what the first round of listeners said. Curry responded and asked more questions. The biodiesel discussion has been going on for weeks on DSC. Neville and I have worked hard to make ???For Immediate Release??? listener-driven, with as much as half of each show based on themes raised by our listeners.

There are no competitors…okay, there are some competitors

If you spend your time bashing your competitors, your listeners will unsubscribe in droves. They???re coming for insights, not an us-vs.-them commercial. As my mother (and yours, too, probably) used to say, if you can???t say something nice about somebody, don???t say anything. In fact, if a competitor introduces a podcast or says something worthwhile in a blog, point to it. Neville and I don???t see the growing number of PR-focused podcasts as competition. We even link to them in what we call our ???podroll,??? a list of other communication-themed podcasts on our show blog. Just because your audience is made up of customers doesn???t mean you shouldn???t recognize the interconnectedness of the medium and your listeners??? hunger for useful and interesting content.

Not that I think Boston Consulting Group would ever welcome a new podcast by McKinsey & Company into the podosphere. Short of that, though, it pays dividends to be part of a bigger podcasting community.

Don???t advertise or sell

Nobody wants to subscribe to and download a commercial. You can brand your product, service, or company by being the provider of useful information. You should avoid turning your podcast into an advertisement at all costs, regardless of what your throwback marketing VP wants.

Be authentic

Businesses often are inclined to overproduce their media, striving to be as good as ??? or better than ??? mainstream public media. I remember talking to the manager of one company???s video production operation who said his baseline was a local newscast; his work could never, no matter what, be worse than a typical local newscast. While podcast listeners do want to be entertained, their primary interest is in content, not polish. A podcast hosted by voice talent reading a script will be dismissed, while listening to a real engineer or designer or brand manager -??? replete with all his ???ums??? and ???uhs??? -??? will be compelling, as long as he???s talking about something the listener cares about. (Besides, you can edit out the worst mistakes.)

Be mindful of your listeners??? time

Depending on whom you talk to, podcasts shouldn???t exceed 20 or 40 minutes. Neville and I routinely run 70 to 80 minutes. But again, while ???The Hobson and Holtz Report??? is about business, it???s not from a business. With a business podcast, you???re asking your customer (or prospective customer) to give her attention to your organization???s content. It???s an exchange. Don???t ask for too much of it. Make sure you fill the time you do have with something useful enough to make the exchange worthwhile.

Integrate your podcast into the blogosphere

Outside the pseudo podcasts from the mainstream media (repackaged pre-broadcast radio content), you???ll be hard-pressed to find a podcast that doesn???t have an associated blog. So far, most of the business podcasts haven???t emulated this practice with the exception of GM, where the Fastlane podcast is just part of the Fastlane blog. Your podcast blog page contains show notes, another tactic common among indie podcasters but missing from businesses. Listeners appreciate the hell out of good show notes. Most important, but inviting comments on each show, you more effectively build that community of listeners naysayers insist you can???t build with a podcast.

As I said at the beginning, I???m sure I???ve overlooked some important guidelines. What have I missed?

10/23/05 | 11 Comments | Ten guidelines for B2B podcasts

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  • 1.Shel,

    As someone who has been producing corporate and non-corporate Podcasts since 1997 (when they were called Webcasts), I agree with everything you have written here. To that I would add tip #11: Uphold high production values. Get true audio engineers to produce your Podcasts, so they have a great "sound" and "Podcastanality" (what radio stations call "stationality"). And find a host who actually (A) sounds great, and (B) knows how to m.c. a production. There's nothing worse than listening to a host who says "um" or "you know what I mean" every 3 seconds. The best hosts have are experienced interviewers who also have great voices for radio.

    RBLevin@RBLevin.net | October 2005

  • 2.Great post, Shel! You've really captured all the points. Perhaps one tiny thing to add: Remember that some listeners may not have heard your earlier podcasts. So, in show #10 you might make a reference to something in show #9. Those who haven't heard #9 will be in the dark if you natter on about the issue.
    Of course, you and Neville always seem to avoid this pitfall by reminding listeners, "The reason we're talking about this is because So And So brought this up last time..." and you'll explain it. So even if someone misses a show, they'll follow your train of thought.

    Thanks for the excellent post.

    Donna Papacosta | October 2005 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada

  • 3.Shel:

    Bravo--and thank you for this excellent post! Once again, you've given me some great advice for applying this new technology to the business world. Thank you, RG

    Ralph Gaillard | October 2005

  • 4.Hi, Donna. Actually, that's an excellent suggestion. Is it obvious that I posted this so people like you could fill in the gaps for me? Thanks!

    RB, I agree with you, but only to a point. Podcasts and webcasts are different on a nmber of fronts. Detachability (I just made that word up) and subscription capabilities are two. But what's driving podcasting is an anti-radio backlash. Too much polish in a podcast will turn off audiences, I believe. J2EE developers are listening to the Oracle podcast for its content, not its high-gloss finish (which it doesn't have). Good audio quality, yes. Striving to emulate radio, no.

    Hi, Ralph; good to hear from you. So, when are you starting a podcast?

    Shel Holtz | October 2005 | Chicago

  • 5.Shel:

    Thank for you great list. I agree with the guidelines you have created. I hope that companies will follow some of them. I especially like 10 about including them in the blogosphere. I do worry that companies will just add them to thier site. With the blogs it would allow us to comment and ask questions directed to the podcast.

    Thanks,
    Darin

    Darin Wimbrough | October 2005

  • 6.Just because their called "Podcasts" it doesn't mean you have to download them onto iPods and they don't have to be witty, trendy online broadcasts. In fact, podcasts make a great tool for maintaining frequent (yet informal) contact with B2B prospect...

  • 7.Shel, actually, I'm not advocating that people emulate radio, but rather, thet they strive to provide quality content that sounds good. I'm not pulling this out of thin air but, like direct marketing, basing this on actual listener data. Corporate Podcasts that sound good and are well-produced (that does not mean SLICKLY produced) will earn higher traffic, referrals, and lower abandonent than those which sound like crap or feature a bumbling host. It's interesting that you would cite OTN as an example of a Podcast done right. Wired 8/2005 reviewed it as: "Host copes with his tendancy to stutter by reading mechanically from a prepared script." That's not what any Podcaster should aspire to. I submit to you that if Oracle fielded a host who actually knows how to drive an interview as well as the technical data, that their Podcast's credibility would skyrocket, and that leads to listeners who might actually believe and stay tuned to the broadcast. Podcasters and pundits often suffer from the same affliction as marketers: they make statements about what works and what doesn't based on opinion, not scientific testing and the hard data that results. Try this test: Produce a grungy Podcast, then produce the same topic with higher production standards. See which one pulls more listeners longer. Anyone who does this will learn that the best corporate Podcasts are akin to the best corporate op-eds and advertorials. They're well thought out, well planned, well produced, articulate, and well written. The public will consume any old Podcast right now, but as the market matures, the public will become increasingly discerning. Those Podcasters who focus on delivering quality, credible content that sounds good will build greater audience than those who don't.

    RBLevin@RBLevin.net | October 2005 | PA

  • 8.Can't argue with that, RB; agree with everything you see. Still, I think J2EE developers will sit and listen to OTN regardless, as long as they're getting useful and valuable information out of it. Not that they shouldn't improve the quality, but I compare it to a mediocre speaker at a conference with incredibly good content. (I know a couple like this -- they fill rooms every time they speak.) So, I guess my summary statement is: Production values are important, but content is more important in a B2B podcast.

    Shel Holtz | October 2005 | Concord, CA

  • 9.Shel, I presume TJ is not "a mediocre speaker with incredibly good content", then, even though he fills convention rooms and garners standing ovations {wicked grin}

    Lee Hopkins | October 2005 | Adelaide Hills

  • 10.I am working on developing some basic guidelines for podcasting at my company. This is a great reference. Would you change, update or add to anything after more than 200 shows of additional experience?

    (BTW I have only been a FIR listener since the "Stowe Boyd/Die Press Release" kerfuffle.)

    Lee White | April 2007

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