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Podcasting: What’s in a name?

A mini brouhaha has erupted over a report from Bridge Data that “reveals” most people who retrieve podcasts don’t transfer them to their portable digital media devices. According to the study, more than 80% of podcasts are played directly from the PC. Blogging about this, Colin Dixon and Michael Greeson of TDG Research suggest:

We find ourselves in a bit of pickle: either (a) our definition of podcasting is insufficient or inaccurate, or (b) 80% of those who we call “podcasters” are nothing of the sort.

Steve Rubel also weighed in, saying, “It seems like some people are calling programs podcasts that really aren’t.”

I think I need to start a new category on this blog called “Take a deep breath.” It would certainly apply to this post. Why is a deep breath needed? Two points. First, I believe the 80% number is being misinterpreted. Second, who gives a damn?

The first point: It’s not that 80% of podcasts aren’t available for subscription. It’s that 80% of the downloads of podcasts aren’t available for transfer to an iPod. It’s that 80% of the people who download any given podcast, for whatever reason, aren’t opting to transfer it to a portable device. (Podcasters are the people producing the podcast, not the people listening.)

But it’s not even the portability of the audio file that makes it a podcast. After all, you could do that with an audio file well before podcasting was introduced. it’s the ability to subscribe via RSS that makes it a podcast. While the TDG post refers to the Oxford dictionary’s definition, I prefer Wikipedia’s: “Podcasting is the distribution of audio or video files, such as radio programs or music videos, over the Internet using either RSS or Atom syndication for listening on mobile devices and personal computers.” Note that the RSS distribution is referenced before the portability.

Even with that, many people opt to download podcast files directly from a site rather than subscribing. Looking at the LibSyn stats for my own podcast, I can see that just under half of the retrievals of the files come from direct downloads instead of subscriptions. I have no idea how many are listening to the stream we make available. But even if more than half don’t subscribe, and most of them listen at their computer, does that mean it’s not a podcast?

Of course not. And that’s the second point. The fact that the podcast can be retrieved via RSS subscription and can be transferred to an MP3 player makes it a podcast. How people choose to get and listen to one is entirely up to them. I’m working on a podcasting project with a client. One of the requirements I set for the effort is to ensure the podcast can be subscribed to, downloaded directly, and streamed, giving the control to the listener so they can exercise their personal preferences.

And let’s not forget that podcasting isn’t even two years old. Any number of reasons could account for the slow uptake of the RSS and portability characteristics of podcasts: Confusion about subscribing, failure to understand the portability issue, the convenience of listening at the computer immediately after downloading, already-formed PC-listening habits, the list goes on.

So rather than get hung up on semantics, let’s stay focused on the potential for the medium. Okay? Now, everybody, exhale…

03/26/06 | 11 Comments | Podcasting: What’s in a name?

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  • 1.This discussion is an interesting one. On my show I welcome listeners to the 'broadcast'. I know right out that that is wrong, but I say it anyway. Maybe it's the 9 years on the radio. But the term 'broadcast' refers to the delivery of audio over the air, but now includes cable and satelitte. So we have the term 'webcast' which refers to the delivery of audio via the web. 'Podcast' then, if defined as deliver of audio via RSS, is a bit limited, but could encompass all audio delivered via the web. I actually prefer 'webast' to 'podcast' and starting Monday I will reference my show as a 'webcast'.

    Dave Miller | March 2006 | Sioux Falls, SD

  • 2.This is a ridiculous argument that's going on over this allegedly eye opening report on podcasting. I commented on this a few days ago over at Michael Geoghegan's blog.

    First off, people who consume podcasts are not podcasters. They are subscribers, consumers, listeners, viewers or whatever podcast producers want to call them. Mike Dunn of Nomadic Audio like to call them companions. Whatever they are, they are not podcasters. A podcaster is someone who produces audio or video media and then makes it available for consumption using and RSS feed with enclosures.

    Finally, I agree with you Shel in asking, "Who cares how the media is consumed?" As distributors of content, I think that podcast producers across the board are concerned with simply getting their message across. How the person chooses to consume the content is irrelevant. The fact that it was consumed by someone is the most important thing.

    As a producer of a lot of content, I do my best to give people the maximum amount of choices for capture and consumption of the material I produce. Download, stream, subscribe via iTunes, check the website, etc. However it's done I feel privileged to have people returning each week. And their choices don't diminish the impact of my shows one bit.

    Rob S | March 2006 | New York, USA

  • 3.AMEN. Well said!

    donna papacosta | March 2006 | Toronto

  • 4.I am glad that you have taken the time to clarify what exactly a podcast is and who the podcaster is. The thing is that as a part of my job this summer working for Camp ASCCA, I will be required to do some podcast interviews. The funny thing is that I do not even own a portable digital media device. So am I really creating a podcast if I myself am incapable of listening to it except on my PC? I think so.

    I am the podcaster and those that choose listen to my podcasts are the consumers or subscribers. It is also good to keep in mind that people have gotten into the habit of downloading an mp3 file and listening to it directly from their computers. Habits are hard to change and take time. A few years down the road, people will be walking around listening to podcasts. Hopefully sometime in the near future that is what I will be doing.

    Katie | March 2006

  • 5.Agreed. If Horton hears a Who[cast], what difference does it make as to what device was used and when it was done? The desired outcome is for as many Hortons as possible to be listening (for as long as possible) and evaluating your offered content for their own needs.

    Although I appreciate you indicating the distinction between a podcast and other devices for audio streams, Shel, it did bring to top o' mind a question I've long asked (silently): why are folks so quick to use a middle brand in naming their streaming endeavours? Although the Mighty A must adore the fact that one of its products has become near-synonymous with the product category (i.e., MP3 players)--similar to ?Kleenex? being used instead of ?tissue?--what?s in it for you, when you ask What?s In a Name? (Which, curiously enough, is the title of my organization?s corporate brochure?) Is the Neville and Shel brand not strong enough (at this stage) that you can simply refer to your current, next or past FIRcast(s)? Just a (branded) thought?.

    Judy Gombita | March 2006 | www.cga-ontario.org

  • 6.Katie:

    You actually answered your own question about whether you are actually creating a podcast, even if you can only listen to it on a PC.

    If you will be creating audio content that you will distribute over the Internet and that will include a RSS feed to allow users to subscribe to it, then, yes, you will be creating a podcast.

    As Shel pointed out, the majority of podcasts are still consumed by users from their desktop computers. That really doesn't matter. You'll still be producing a podcast, and you will be a podcaster.

    And since you're planning to record audio and also listen to podcasts on a portable device at some point, might I suggest you invest in an iRiver? It's a wonderful little device that both plays mp3 files and records digital files for you. Shel's For Immediate Release co-host Neville Hobson has recommended it several times on their twice-weekly podcast.

    Bryan Person | March 2006 | Boston

  • 7.Judy, I'm sure "podcast" originated (in 2004) because it rhymed with "broadcast." Today, however, podcasting is in the Oxford English Dictionary (it was 2005's word of the year), there are endless articles on podcasting, podcast directories, podcast studies by reputable research organizations, podcast-specific equipment and software...the list goes on. There's a podcast community. Might as well be part of it rather than try to separate ourselves from it!

    Shel Holtz | March 2006 | Concord, CA

  • 8.Well, I was approaching it from the perspective of "brand differentiation," (What's in a name?) but if you think that could potentially separate you from the podcast community/lose listeners, certainly that's your call.

    I like your theory of podcast rhyming with broadcast, BTW. But then went on to think, how do "earbuds" connect with the product category "ear or headphones?"

    (Believe you me, I have tremendous respect for the Mighty A's phenomenal branding initiatives and success.)

    Judy Gombita | March 2006

  • 9."Citizen journalism won't supplant professional journalism, but it may actually professionalise it". [Niall Cook] Josh Hallett on the PR blogger lifecycle. The Hobson & Holtz Report: #123, #122 & #121 Dedicated PR Blog Practices?... for the love of all things...

  • 10.Shel,

    I differ some from your core point on Podcasting. I believe we are seeing the beginnings of the blur between Podcast meaning a form of an on-demand streamed or downloadable digital media file and the concept of it meaning an RSS enabled download or stream of a digital media file. Podcasts delivered by RSS are being streamed right out of those feeds. Podcasts are just becoming on-demand media files that are being seen and heard in many places and in many ways. The portable media player is just one of many ways.

    I think we are seeing Podcasting move into the mainstream and thus we are seeing this term Podcasts describing downloadable audio, video files generally and now people are associating whether right or wrong that Podcasts also stream from website based players and now mobile phones.

    I have felt from the very beginning of Podcasting that the term would ultimately drive more meaning to the listener as a description of a type or format of content and have less of a connection to delivery technology like RSS or Atom.

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    Rob Greenlee | March 2006 | Seattle, WA

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